Frustrated Liberal Catholic

The blog is called, liberal catholic sports music.  A recent posting is called “Sixteen Reasons.” It is worth reading:

A couple of years ago I came to "blogdom" with the main purpose of learning. One thing I wanted to learn was were there any Catholics of a reasonable and, yes, liberal bent. Well, there may be a few. I have not found them, despite a good faith effort. So I will change my profile to reflect my findings. For the time, I will list, not exhaustively, why I find the Catholic Church difficult to understand and follow.
I have difficulty being in a church that:

One . . .

Two . . .

Read the list. It is interesting. I don’t agree with everything he says at liberal catholic sports music: Sixteen Reasons

Just a couple of examples:

1) John Paul II says authenticity of Shroud of Turin is to be decided by science then says it is the burial cloth of Jesus. Actually he did say that authenticity of the shroud should be decided by science but said he BELIEVES that it is Jesus’ burial cloth. The word “believes” is important.

John Paul II said regarding questions about the shroud’s authenticity, “[T]he Church does not have specific competence to pronounce on these questions. It entrusts to scientists the task of continuing to investigate to find suitable answers to questions regarding the Shroud.”

2) Teaches being married is an impediment to a close relationship to God. Actually he is referring to vocations, not everyone in their daily lives. I certainly disagree with celibacy for priests but that is the point, not the broad-brush interpretation.  

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4 Responses to Frustrated Liberal Catholic

  1. John Haynes says:

    I am Jack of liberal catholic sports music. Quite by accident I came across your blog. I will not respond here to your reticence about my “sixteen reasons.” When I began blogging I had no idea I would spend so much space on religion. But I did. As you may know I am virtually a life long anglican/episcopalian because of family and my own feeling that the anglican tradition was most sound. However, my wife children, grandchildren, many relatives are catholic and for such factors I did join the Catholic Church. I have degrees in philosophy and have always had an interest in religion. The catholic bloggers I found were rather unsatisfactory in their views, for the reasons that you note from “sixteen reasons.”

    I was on the vestry of an Episcopal church for several years, but probably will not return to that faith because of family reasons. I have a great interest in science and find the Catholic effort to ‘live with’ science very difficult. I will bookmark your blog and follow it often. Jack

  2. John Haynes says:

    I am pleased that you read my blog and found some merit in a post I did. But just a comment or two on your response. On the Shroud of Turin. Your comment that JP2 “believed” it authentic brings to mind two questions I have. One, the Pope saying he regards it as authentic is not the same as my good neighbor, Carol, saying so. I know of no evidence that could even remotely be called ‘scientific’ that would show the shroud to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus. The Catholic Church has a habit of saying something and then saying it is true if it cannot be shown to be false. Fatima apparitions, for example. Out of the 4 criteria the Church uses to authentic such ‘miracles’ only one has to do with a scientific, rational approach. The other three criteria are negative in that they do not deal with whether the children actually saw anything. What evidence could be found to show the Shroud was actually the burial cloth of Jesus? On what basis does JP2 believe it is authentic. If it is just blind faith, then so be it.

    On “impediments” to being close to God. Impediment means a blocking not an absolute bar. The Church clearly believes marriage is an impediment (not an absolute bar) to knowing and serving God. Obviously if that were not so there would be no reason to require celibacy of its priest. Marriage as an impediment to service to and closeness to God is quite clear in the catechism. I believe my comment was correct, not ‘broad brushed.’ Best wishes. Jack

  3. Fred says:

    I am a dedicated catholic, I feel impelled to give my testimony because one needs to witness to the truth where and when necessary. In 1981 I was very privileged to have had a vision of our lord Jesus Christ in a historic church that was dedicated to St.Peter and St.Paul, I saw our Lords face, so sad.And the crown of thorns on his head so clear was this vision i could see the string of thorns encircled many times and the thorns so clear as if one would be pricked by them, I was totally awestruck and as you can imagine this vision took me from being a christian with many question marks to a fervent believer, after the vision i went to my mothers home when i went in to her living room i told my mother of my wonderful vision and was overwhelmed to discover that my mother had a copy of the shroud of Turin on her wall.I immediately said to my mother, this is Jesus Christ, this is who i saw actually as he is. It is him. The holy shroud image is that of Jesus Christ, I can’t prove it but i would lay my life on this because it is true. I have since 1981 had many other experiences which have also confirmed to me the authenticity of the holy shroud and that it is of our Lord Jesus Christ. One day it will be recognised as true and venerated as the wonderful relic that it is, and i look forward to that day. Yours in Christ … Fred

  4. Fred says:

    Fred Ablitt, in my oppinion ,there is no doubt that the shroud of turin is the same shroud that Joseph of Arimathea wrapped the body of Jesus as in the gospel of Mark chapter 15 verses 42…46. Pope Benedict xv1 recently in Turin stated himself that the holy shroud of turin is like a photograph,positive and negative, he also said it is a burial cloth which enshrouded the corpse of a crusified man, and corresponds to what the gospels tell us about Jesus. I personaly believe that there is a whole stack of evidence to back up the holy shroud of turins true authentisity , but the real problem is that one still needs to look at the whole situation with the eyes of faith ,through an open mind,which is where most non believers stumble because they then have to accept that the God they dont believe in might actualy exist, which totaly contradicts there views, and puts there non beliefe to the test. In my view the real problem is that when true authentisity is being debated with those who dont believe in the existance of God, they inevitably wont take into consideration anything that might oppose there views, so in reality there is a stalemate, they then base there whole analysis on desisions they have made according to there own human ability to judge which is prone to error, using no more than tests to detemine age, carbon dating which has been proven unreliable, in the tests that have been carried out on the holy shroud of turin, so i ask those scientists lets look at this with an open mind, with a full compleate and unbiased analysis of all the evidence without exeption, then a true and fare conclusion can start to take place, if only for the sake of common sence…YOURS IN CHRIST…FRED…

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